Wow - a blast from the past! Nice catch Bob! It is however correct as prepared by Seth -- he's combined two into one (the theory being hackers and hobbyists are seperate bodies... of course this is all semantics). So depending on how you count, there are actually 7 or 8 myths... but who's counting?!? Oh wait, what about those hackers that are ALSO hobbyists...?!?!? Bob, drop me a line and let me know how you're doing and what you're up to... Cheers, Toby